Beardo Live: Fake Vs Real Pt1

On the 14th of August 2024, the YouTube channel 'Beardo Gets Scared' went live with a number of guests who are involved in the paranormal space. This livestream lasted for a little over three hours, and the guests involved were Justin from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, Dolly and Stee from Paranormal By The Sea, Justin from Ghosts On Trent, Joe Vitale from Entity Seven Paranormal, Kev Kerr from Kev Kerr Paranormal, and Kenny Biddle who is the chief investigator for the committee of skeptical enquiry. The host of the livestream, Beardo, is a paranormal investigator; but is predominantly a debunker of teams and individuals who claim to have captured legitimate paranormal activity. The livestream is titled as 'Is the FAKE paranormal damaging the legit investigators? With guests', and throughout the video Beardo had a rolling sentence which read 'Tonights discussion is the fake paranormal damaging the real investigators? guests are Paranormal Monkey Podcast, Kev Kerr, Paul Ghosts On Trent, Paranormal By The Sea, Joe Vitali Entity 7. This is not a usual hangout stream, no ban hammers etc lol.' 

Upon watching the livestream, I was impressed at a number of the points raised and discussed. My overall view is that the livestream was incredibly important, and so the aim of this series of articles is not so much to add to the debate and points raised; but rather is to document what I view as being a really good conversation in a way which is far easier to find than in a three hour long YouTube video. I will add my own views on the topics discussed, as I do with all of the articles I write, but I feel my points will largely be in agreement with those involved with the livestream. 

Beardo's Introduction

Beardo's live started with a countdown and then with Beardo explaining what the livestream would be. Part of this explanation was saying there wouldn't be any ban hammers as he doesn't have them on Stream Yard, which I thought was not the right reason for their lack of inclusion here. The ban hammers are a fun thing Beardo usually does on his livestreams, and I initially thought they wouldn't be used due to Beardo wanting the discussion to take a more serious and uninterrupted tone. I'm hoping, if future serious discussions are held, that the usual fun elements of Beardo's lives are kept at bay as I do feel it worked well here. 

Once Beardo finished his explanation of the livestream, Justin from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast was the first guest to be brought in. As Justin introduced himself, he said he does the podcast every monday, and that he has been doing it since the December of 2023. He went on to explain that before the podcast he was part of a group called 'Paranormal Truth' and investigated around the country. He also tried doing it the right way, such as 'The Ouija Brothers', and tried to see if the stories of major haunted locations were true. He finished his introduction by saying that once that finished, he has been doing the podcast ever since. 

Next, Stee and Dolly from Paranormal By The Sea were brought in. For their introduction, Dolly explained that she brought Stee into it and they explain that Stee is skeptical and that Dolly is a believer. They also explained that they go out with cameras and capture the truth, and that they also tend to get lots of police showing up. Following this introduction, Beardo mentioned that Justin streamed the location of 30 East Drive for about a week, and Justin commented that they got lots of nothing. He went on to say that they just wanted to capture the real deal as if what was being shown on documentaries was true, then they should be able to go out and capture that honestly. He then continued by saying he hates gadgets, just uses audio and video equipment, and has done all night livestreams where nothing has happened. 

Beardo's First Question

"Did you watch other paranormal stuff and then like me go out, start investigating, and be like 'where is it? Where's the paranormal?' "

I think this is a good starting question to ask as I do wonder how many people involved in the paranormal do what they do because they grew up watching paranormal investigation content such as 'Most Haunted'. Plus, people may have been inspired by more recent groups that upload videos to YouTube. Stee and Dolly responded by saying they used to watch other channels before going out, and as a result Dolly was really excited and Stee was really scared as he thought stuff would get chucked at him or smashed. They found that it's nothing like what they'd seen, and that it was mostly just themselves talking to the building. It's then explained that they get to know the building's sounds, along with other sounds. Stee then said he thought they'd get lots of activity, and has found the reality is paranormal investigating can be quite boring. Dolly went on to say she's more scared of other people than ghosts, and that they often get caught by the police. 

For Justin's answer to Beardo's question, he said he didn't, and that he thinks things have grown since he started in 2017 as a huge number of fake channels have surfaced. He went on to say that there weren't many at the time who were going out legitimately, in an honest way, and saying that nothing happened. He also said they watched nothing on YouTube and saw various documentaries which had given him a fascination for the paranormal. He also explained that when starting out, he did it alone for no one but him. 

I found both answers to be quite insightful as one answer focused on the reality of paranormal investigating in contrast to what can be seen on TV, and the other reflected on how the false paranormal media has grown in recent history. I think both are excellent discussion points as I absolutely agree that what can be seen on TV absolutely paints a false picture as to the reality of paranormal investigating. It isn't constant sounds and scares, but rather is much quieter and slow with little to nothing happening per investigation. To add to Justin's point on the recent rise of fake channels, I personally feel this is down to the accessibility of video editing technology. These days all you need is a smartphone, and that's enough to be able to create something both fake and half decent to upload which fools many. 

Beardo then added to the conversation by saying he first went to Neath Abbey and wondered where the ghosts and noise were. He also said he did the same in Margam Castle when he went on a paid event, and said that was the worst thing he's ever done as it was forty other people there screaming and shouting; and so he hasn't been to a paid event since. I have considered going to a paid event, but I haven't for the reasons Beardo has described. If ever I investigate, I want to know that there are as few variables in play as possible; and so there needs to be as few people present as possible. I know paid events will not provide those conditions, plus I suspect they may try to manufacture some paranormal experiences with little to no logical explanation put to them. 

Beardo's Second Question

 "So, in regards to the fake paranormal; I'm not asking anyone to, obviously, name and shame and all the rest of it, I wouldn't want anyone to get into the trouble I do: Do you think it negatively impacts, especially smaller channels that are keeping it real?" 

This is an extremely big question, and I'm glad Beardo asked it in such a direct way so early on in the livestream. I also liked that he clarified he isn't expecting anyone to name and shame. Justin from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast is the only one to give an answer here, although Dolly and Stee from Paranormal By The Sea do nod along in agreement. Justin said that he thinks it massively impacts the smaller channels as it keeps their views down. He then said he does a one hour long podcast every monday, and that people tend to watch it for about twenty minutes. He explained that's really good as it's his average, but that most people don't watch the full thing. This led him on to explain that a proper paranormal investigation has no hook as nothing happens, but people go out now aiming to get people's attention. Justin said you need to hook people within the first minute, and this is where most people fall down as they try to produce suspense or activity that isn't there. 

Justin continued his answer by saying there has always been fakery, and that this dates back to the spiritualist movement. He said people blame the likes of Zak Bagans and Ghostwatch for the fakery, but that it's actually older than that; and so names Ghostwatch, Most Haunted, and Ghost Adventures as a string of programmes which show there has always been some kind of fakery. He also explained it's all part of trying to get people's attention. It's also said the smaller moral channels struggle in the environment and that after a while they don't see the views they want and give up on investigating legitimately. Beardo then added to Justin's points by saying that Paranormal By The Sea are a small channel and that they do it frequently, yet are appreciative of all and any views they get. 

This is a fantastic answer from Justin as it emphasises that fakery has always existed around the paranormal, and it suggests it likely always will exist in the paranormal. The think I like so much about the answer is Justin's explanation as to why the fakery persists. It's strongly implied that without the views, the fakery would not happen; but because it's easier to hook people with fakery, views will always be gained. Breaking it down from the perspective of gaining views, and needing to hook people, is an angle I personally haven't heard be discussed before. Usually, when this kind of thing is brought up, people refer to it in the way of money but not in the more detailed way of hooks and views. This can lead to money, but no one ever seems to acknowledge the steps required before money can be gained. It goes to add a good contribution that trying to do something legitimately regarding the paranormal is very much so an uphill battle, and this is a good thing to raise awareness of.

This is the point in the livestream where the next guest, Paul from Ghosts On Trent, was brought in. For his introduction he explained that he met Mark, another member of the team, at work and that they worked together for five years and chatted about the paranormal. Paul also said he had an experience when he was young, and that he and Mark talked about the paranormal for three years before putting the team together. Paul then explained he was a Most Haunted fan, believed everything they did, and that Most Haunted duped everyone. 

Beardo's Third Question

"So, has anyone else on the panel had a paranormal experience before, obviously, their channels and before they went out investigating?" 

It's another good question because it seeks to find out if experiences can occur outside of investigation, or if you have to actually go out and find the ghosts in order to get an experience. Personally, I've had experiences outside of investigating; but it could be argued that a psychological factor could have been at play due to my parent's watching Most Haunted, and with me experiencing things in locations such as castles which are usually known to be haunted. 

Justin, from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, was the first to answer Beardo's question and he said he had a childhood experience. He went on to say that he had a poltergeist in his home for six weeks and that a lot was kept from him as he was only eight at the time. He also explained that this is what started his excitement and interest in the paranormal as he wanted to know what else was going on with the family, along with who else experienced these kinds of things. This led to him reading about the Enfield Poltergeist, and then he joined SPR when he was about fourteen. He also emphasised that his involvement in the paranormal stemmed from way before anything regarding channels. 

Next to answer was Stee and Dolly from Paranormal By The Sea. Dolly explained that she had a childhood experience when she was five years old, and that she used to see an older lady. She said the lady was so vivid that she used to open the door for her, and convinced her mum to cook for her. The Lady was always around and then one day just went. Dolly then said when she was about thirteen or fourteen, she saw a new lady, who was an older lady, in their new house. She found out years after moving house, when she moved out at around seventeen or eighteen, that the lady who used to own the house died in her bedroom on the floor. She went on to say that she used to see the lady crawl on the floor in the middle of the night, but was never scared of her as she thought it was normal to see and that everyone saw it. 

Dolly also said that when she was eighteen or nineteen she saw the hat man, and that it reminded her of Jack the Ripper. The hat man is then described as having no face, and Dolly says she used to see the hat man a lot and even randomly up to now. Dolly went on to say that the hat man vanishes, and so she has never been able to speak to him. Stee then commented by saying when his dad passed away, everyone was in the living room, and they heard footsteps walk from his dad's bedroom into the bathroom even though this was the night after his dad had died. He continued by saying this was his only unexplained experience, and that he thinks it must have been the floorboards. 

I find it really interesting that all of these teams seem to have experiences dating back to when they were younger. My own experiences date back to when I was younger, so it would be interesting to see if this is a common factor at play when it comes to initial paranormal experiences. I think a study around founding out if having a childhood paranormal experience leads to a future belief, or future experiences, in the paranormal would be worth conducting if it hasn't already been done. 

Nightmare Nation's Comment

 "That's what sucks you have to be entertaining and people relate entertaining to fakery which isn't always the case gives channels a bad name"

I agree here as I know there are a number of things done by teams, usually fake teams, that are done to get views and have nothing to do with fakery. These things include jokes that can seem as childish humour, along with overall behaviour and speech that is clearly aimed at a younger audience. Other things such as this could be over the top reactions, such as screaming and running away. These actions don't mean a team is fake, but it does make them out to be poor paranormal investigators at the very least, and as the comment says it is a shame as it lowers the validity of that investigation and channel; however it could be necessary actions to get the required views needed to keep the channel going.

In response to this comment, Beardo said 'Angry Cajun' used to say using B-roll and cinematic music meant the video was fake, but the reality is it's just real investigators trying to hook people in. Paul, from Ghosts On Trent, added to this by saying the investigators are 'polishing a turd' as they are 'polishing a boring eight hour investigation' that they're getting down to a maximum of forty-five minutes. He also agreed that the first minute has to be the hook and that when nothing happens they have to put something at the start to hook people; and this is where the title and thumbnail comes into play. 

On this topic, Beardo then said he and Ghosts On Trent got called out for using clickbait, but that you have to on YouTube. He went on to say that they aren't scientists conducting scientific experiments, but are instead content creators in the paranormal and debunking fields. He explained that it's one of the most boring jobs on the planet and they're trying to entertain people with it. This led Beardo on to say he gained a complaint on his last 30 East Drive video which asked him to stop and give the spirit a chance to speak, and he said he did but had to cut it out of the video as otherwise it would have been fourteen hours long. 

This is where Justin gave an excellent comment. His comment was: "if you was going to do things legitimately, and properly, you would have no background music, no B-roll, there'd be no personalities between the different investigators, there'd be no humour involved. It'd be you sat in a dark room in silence, not even calling out, in silence with a notepad, writing down every sound; and that's the reality of proper paranormal investigating". He followed this comment by saying you might have some equipment for baseline measurements such as temperature, but no one is going to watch any of that. He continued by saying that was the legitimate way, but it can't be entertaining. He also explained that the hook is into the people, not what's not there. 

I absolutely agree with Justin's comment, and this is why I felt it needed to be quoted. I don't think he could have put it any better, as that is the most legitimate way to investigate the paranormal. I do think more investigators should upload videos like that, but I understand why they don't as they wouldn't get the required views. If you look at some of my own investigation videos, they aren't at all far off what Justin described, and not only did it confuse those who did watch as I live streamed it; but after uploading those streams to YouTube, they rarely got any views. It's unfortunate, and it's something I do feel is holding back real paranormal investigation. If these restraints didn't exist, I feel we would have a much more conclusive answer to if the paranormal exists. 

Scottish Pride's Comment

 "People are so used to bumps and jump scares every 30 seconds in fakes, they can't relate to the real anymore"

Again, I agree. I think horror media along with paranormal TV has desensitised people to the point where they need the jumps to be entertained, and they are so used to realistic looking effects that anything real now just comes across as bland and dull. Beardo responded with "absolutely" and says a complaint they've all recieved is that they've called something a paranormal video, but nothing paranormal happened in the video. Beardo also commented on Ghost On Trent's video views dropping recently as they captured a brush falling after lots of nothing, and as a result were called fake. He also says that he got into that channel by seeing if they were actually fake, which they were not. 

Paul, from Ghosts On Trent, responded to this by saying "we support the debunkers because debunking is crucial in investigating, especially the ones that legitimately love doing what they're doing for the truth. Debunking is a must". I agree with what Paul has said here, and it always baffles me whenever investigators don't embrace the help of debunkers. To me, the only reason why a legitimate investigator wouldn't want the opinion or help of a debunker is because they know that they've faked something and don't want to be publicly outed as fake. 

Beardo then went on to say more and more debunkers have been going out and doing investigations themselves, and that these debunkers have been called fake for random knocking even though they don't catch anything. He also said he noticed the people calling the debunkers fake are the ones who support the teams that get frequent poltergeist activity. Another thing Beardo discussed is that he and Paul get very angry about trolls, and then Paul said it frustrates him as he knows they're legit. Justin, from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, then said he gets the same and that the fakery rubs off on the genuine channels. Dolly, from Paranormal By The Sea, added by saying Stee gets wound up too and that they were going to quit at one point because of it. 

I think Justin makes an excellent point regarding fakery rubbing off on the real channels. The fake channels can be so good at faking things that the real and fake can both look the same. As a result, the moment something legitimate happens, you can't tell if it's fake or real and so it's easy to judge it as being fake to be on the safe side. I think Dolly also made a great point about the effect unfounded claims of fakery can have on a legitimate team, and that it can drive them to quit. As already mentioned, real paranormal investigating can be incredibly boring and so that combined with being faced with negative comments and accusations of fakery can be incredibly demoralising. 

Beardo's Fourth Comment

"How many buildings have we, all of us, walked out of and said 'yep that's haunted'?" 

This is another good question. Personally, I believe all buildings are haunted to some degree. This is because I think 'haunted' just means at least one spirit is present, not necessarily that the spirit is active. The reason I believe this is because it makes no sense to me at all that one location is haunted and another is not. I think a spirit being within a property comes down to the human involvement with that location, and so I believe any location where a human has been has the potential for that human to reside there. The only way I can see otherwise is if spiritual locations such as heaven and hell exist. 

Paul, from Ghosts On Trent, responded with 'one, I think' and said it was the place he experienced a poltergeist. Beardo said a farmhouse was interesting and that the paranormal has gotten petty. He alaborated by saying you aren't allowed to be real anymore, that the fake is upstaging the real channels, and that you can't even befriend debunkers. Justin, from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, added to the conversation by saying the Most Haunted fanbase dropped massively over time and that they've been exposed over and over again. He also said despite this, the hard-core fans stick by them and that they must know fakery is involved but don't care. He also referred to it as being similar to football team allegiances, which is a point I really can see being the case. 

Next, Beardo said that he wonders if the fake teams think the real investigators make the fake ones look silly if the real ones don't catch anything. This is a good point, and it could be the case. If the fake channels go too extreme, then the real ones could highlight just how extreme and absurd the footage captured in the fake channels has become. Going back to the original topic about haunted locations, Paranormal By The Sea said that there was a railway pub where stuff happened that they couldn't explain such as a door slamming and footsteps occuring which convinced them that someone else was there. Justin, from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, says he hasn't had anything but that he's very skeptical so wouldn't say a location is haunted after only one night. He went on to say the only place he thinks could be haunted is 30 East Drive, and that this judgement has been reached after hundreds of hours worth of investigating. He said stuff kicked off in an empty room, and that this was just one event after hundreds of hours. 

AVStevie's Comment

 "IMO, the ones that are leaving nasty comments to the real channels are the pissed off fans of the fakers that have been called out by the debunking community"

Beardo thought the comment had a point, and Justin added by saying there wasn't a paranormal community when he started. Justin went on to say that it goes to show how many fake channels there must be as the debunking community didn't exist on YouTube and everyone used to take videos at face value. He said this is because there was no spotlight on the fake teams, and as a result people should be applauding the debunkers. Beardo then said he thinks he deserves lots that he gets due to his attitude and jokes involved with his debunking. He continued this by saying he doesn't get when the likes of Mr. Grey and Kenny Biddle get it as they're factual and based on science and logic. It's then said that Mr. Grey is a video editor and graphic designer, and that Kenny works for the centre of enquiry, highlighting that it's their profession and should be applauded. 

Justin followed this by explaining it's important for investigators to be open with the debunkers otherwise it signals red flags about those investigators. Paul then said it's all about the serious topic of death, and that he finds the fakers to be insulting due to that. Beardo agreed, and said he wouldn't go to someone as they walked out of a church and tell them that Jesus isn't real; and then he goes on to say that's the equivalent of what fake teams do. He also explained that lots of time and work goes into legitimate investigating, but they could have just thrown a bottle top off camera. Justin added by saying it's demoralising sometimes as they get lots of footage, nothing happens, they need to condense the footage, and it's tempting to fake something to make the footage more entertaining. Beardo also commented here that he sends his own footage to other people to debunk. 

I do think it's best to send your footage to independant reviewers as it removes any bias which may arise from reviewing your own footage. The points raised about Mr Grey and Kenny Biddle are the exact reason why I feel people should be more trusting of debunkers. They know what they're talking about, and so should be trusted to review footage as they are specialists in that area. I always say that if your arm was broken, you would see a doctor as they are a specialist; so why would you do any different with unexplained footage you've captured which you want an explanation for? I understand maybe not trusting some debunkers, as I'm sure some out there are just hateful, but there are legitimate ones out there. 

GingerMonster67's Comment

"Question, what is cannon across the board. Meaning, what do all parties agree with methods and tools that are legit. as there is so much chance for faking and technical issues. What do y'all think?" 

Beardo replied by saying he doesn't think there is anything as they don't know, and he doesn't think there is anything everyone 100% agrees on as it's all experimentation and testing the waters. He also said he uses equipment for a while but ends up throwing it away, saying it's naff and a waste of £100. Paranormal By The Sea replied by saying they always say the equipment they use is for experimental purposes. They elaborated by saying they don't use any of the apps at all as they don't see how someone from the 1800s or 1900s can use an app. As a result, they tend to just use their eyes and ears as they believe they're the most important things on an investigation. They also said they use trigger objects to see if they can be pushed or thrown, but they believe the spirit is more likely to interact with stuff they're used to from the building instead of what is brought by teams. Paranormal By The Sea also say they don't use rem pods anymore, and later on in the stream say that they do use the SB7 box. 

Personally, I do take issue with a couple of points which Paranormal By The Sea make here. I highly disagree about eyes and ears being the most important things on an investigation due to how unreliable personal experiences can be. It's also pointless to investigate if you can't accurately record and document any paranormal experience that may occur. For these reasons, I would say cameras and audio equipment are the most important on an investigation. As for spirits using apps, I would counter their logic by saying I didn't grow up with touchscreen devices, yet I know how to use one. I believe spirits would observe and learn over time, just as living humans do. Plus, in theory it isn't the app they're using. The apps claim to detect environmental changes; and so the spirit isn't interacting with the app, it's interacting with the environment. 

As for equipment I use, I have found rem pods and k2 meters aren't much use and so use trigger objects and the Spirit Talker app as I am still yet to see anyone debunk that specific app. I do use cat balls and the light up bear, which works pretty much the same way as the cat balls. This is because I get interesting results with those when using the app, which isn't at all connected to those devices, at the same time. I also use a ouija board, but that's more so to consistently debunk the extraodinary claims around the ouija board. I do suspect there could be something to it though, and so more experimentation is always needed.

World Of MrGrey's Comment

"If a piece of equipment has been used for years without finding anything, why still use it?"

I think this is a really good point, and I like that it's along the same lines of 'insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results'.  It does stand to reason that if no device has gained clear results, then investigators should stop using them. Beardo responded by saying that's why he's binned his. Justin, from the Paranormal Monkey Podcast, said he uses trigger objects such as coins, keys, and crucafix's, always has, and that they've never moved. He went on to say he also uses cameras and voice recorders and maybe a notebook for making a note of any noises he hears. He also elaborated by saying he doesn't really use anything but trigger objects just in case. 

Beardo then explained that there is a difference between those who fake and those who are misinformed. During this, he said that the DR60 voice recorder is used in order to give false positives for evps. He also commented on home investigations and says he believes someone could die due to the fakery and apps. Building on this, Justin commented on the ethics around paranormal investigation. He said that there are TV crews and investigators doing home investigations and telling families that they've got a demon, and this has a psychological impact on the kids involved. He also went on to say that's the reason why he stays well clear of home investigations and putting it on YouTube. 

Beardo then said he's been asked to do home investigations, but won't do it as he's concerned about impacting on the mental health of those involved along with the kids. He also said he feels more comfortable going to an abandoned location and trespassing than he does with being invited into a house and scaring someone, or telling someone their house isn't haunted and crushing them as they thought their mum or dad were there. Paranormal By The Sea agreed with Beardo here and said you can't do right for doing wrong. Moving on a little, back to the topic of the relationship between investigators and debunkers; Beardo said Paranormal Quest, who are a large American team that have taken Beardo's advice on board, have been told by other American teams that they can't work with them and have been cut off from them. Beardo also said it's happened to UK teams. 

I really disagree with teams being cut off from other teams because they're supportive of the debunkers, or that they've taken advice from the debunkers. The way I see it, every single person legitimately involved in the paranormal has the same aim; to prove if spirits exist or not. Why teams don't share evidence, why they don't work together, and why some isolate others is baffling to me. Scientist from around the world work together to better further their field, and so anyone legitimately involved in the paranormal should be open to doing the same. It's only through cooperation that everyone's aim will be realised. 

Thank You!

Thank you for reading the first part of Beardo Live: Fake vs Real! I don't yet know how many parts this will be split into, but I expect there could be at least three more. I will be releasing a new part each Friday. The final part I release will discuss the overall impact I feel this livestream has had on those involved in the paranormal community, and will discuss 'Dead Cold', 'Mr. Grey', and the 'Cornish Ghost Whispers'. I hope that you've found this article useful or informative, and I hope I've achieved my aim of immortalising a good discussion in an easily accessible way. If you want to watch the full livestream, you can click the link below:

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